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Post by Apex Leo on Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:42 pm

I keep losing in showdown as experimentation of the team I want but I always loose. It's either I'm a terrible battler or have a lousy team. If anyone can help me with my team i would be grateful.
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Post by Ariakai on Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:24 pm

What is your team? Also, what does smogon say about strategies for them/how do people normally use them?

You don't need to use pokemon the recommended ways but it does help you get an idea about how and why those are the recommended ways by reading the usage tips and set details - or at least, it helps me. It'll also tell you, in better detail than showdown's stat preview, what your pokemon's stats excel in and what they lack in.
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Post by Apex Leo on Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:52 pm

OU emboar
OU subseed serperior
Bulky spinner excadrill
Mixed attacking samurott
Cleric sylveon
Nuzzle focus blast hp ice volt switch raichu
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Post by Dragon Arbock on Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:45 pm

Why not use Serperior for what it's good at?- Contrary Leaf Storm.

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Post by Apex Leo on Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:46 pm

It has that! Along with leech seed substitute and dragon pulse
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Post by Ariakai on Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:04 pm

It seems like your team has good type coverage but in the case of losing on showdown, I'd check the logs after each battle and try to find out WHY they're losing - or specifically, what kind of opponents you're up against.

I had to tweak my team at least 4 times, figuring out which pokemon I really wanted to keep and which I didn't. In the end only 3 of the 6 pokemon I originally wanted remained and mostly because I was adamant about using those pokemon - because I like them. You can always build a different team around the pokemon you do like but cannot otherwise fit on the team. At this point I seem to win as much as I lose and am happy with the matchups that I have.

You also cannot win every battle so I'd try a few before deciding if a team needs some tweaks.
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Post by Apex Leo on Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:16 pm

Logs ...? Okay. It's just that I lost at least one hundred times in OU and the team had been tweaked five times.
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Post by Dragon Arbock on Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:46 pm

Well, which pokemon of yours are actually doing work and managing to get a few KOs?
It would also help if you posted the movesets, natures, an evs.

Showdown also lets you save replays- you can rewatch those and see what you might have done to lose.

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Post by Apex Leo on Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:41 pm

Samurott rash 252 attack and special attack 4 speed assault vest torrent moves hydro pump aqua jet knock off ice beam

serperior timid 56 hp 200 def rest speed contrary leftovers moves
Leaf storm substitute leech seed and dragon pulse

emboar jolly 252 att def 4 speed leftovers reckless wild charge protect flare blitz sucker punch

Excadrill careful 252 hp sp def 4 speed focus sash mold breaker iron head earthquake toxic rapid spin

Sylveon bold 252 hp def 4 sp def leftovers pixilate psyshock wish heal bell hyper voice

Raichu timid 252 speed sp attack 4 attack lightning rod leftovers nuzzle volt switch hp ice and focus blast
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Post by Dragon Arbock on Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:01 pm

The most I can say is that several of the pokemon that you have in offensive sweeping positions are too slow to really pull that off. Emboar and Excadrill can hit hard, but have poor defenses, so not having the speed to compete hurts them. You didn't even try to invest in speed for the Emboar, but honestly Scarf would be its only chance.
Raichu also just does not hit hard enough to defeat things before they defeat it.. and with nuzzle, might as well use a bulkier thunder wave pokemon instead.

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Post by Apex Leo on Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:44 pm

I wondered about excadrill....At first I thought offensive spinner donphan was a go to but chose excadrill because of its steel typing even though donphan is probably the better option. I only use emboar to KO entry hazard users and starmies. But I don't know who to choose over raichu.......may just replace it with a different electric type and give serperior glare as well as replace hydro pump with scald
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Post by Dragon Arbock on Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:44 pm

Glare could work if you really want a paralysis move. And if needing another electric type I noticed your team does not have a mega- Mega Manetric wouldn't be a bad option to consider, and it's pretty fast.
As far as Donphan vs Excadrill goes, Donphan gets study, which is a free focus sash so you can use another item, and Ice Shard.

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Post by Ariakai on Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:12 pm

Aggron also has sturdy and is a steel-type, it also has a mega evolution that drops its rock-type (and there its dual-weakness to water and fighting) as well as having a special ability that cuts super-effective damage by 1/4th, if you really want a steel type. It also has good defense and can function as a wall, but it doesn't have great attack stats so it isn't very good at sweeping.
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Post by Dragon Arbock on Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:10 am

*ground a fighting, water is only x2.
Aggron can be pretty good, though the mega losing rock head makes using Head Smash not viable. It also isn't a spinner so they'd need a different spinner/defogger.

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Post by Apex Leo on Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:21 am

I actually went back to donphan with the same moveset with Excadrill except ice shard instead of iron head and gave magnezone a spin. As well as trying glare and scald. Things are much better but I feel like theres more that can be tweaked. Ah well.
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